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25th-Aug-2008 07:34 pm
Here's what's taken place soo far.

Democratic convention: Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton feud
Feuding advisers to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are trading bitter accusations and barbed insults as the Democratic convention opens, threatening to divide the party despite all public protestations of unity.

By Toby Harnden in Denver
Last Updated: 7:54PM BST 25 Aug 2008

One senior Obama supporter told Politico that Clinton associates holding negotiations on her behalf had been acting like "Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific, still fighting after the war is over".

A Democratic operative close to the Clintons shot back: "He [Mr Obama] has not fully reconciled and he has not demonstrated that he accepts the Clintons and the Clinton wing of the party."

Clinton allies are particularly indignant that the former First Lady was not even on Mr Obama's shortlist to be his vice-presidential running mate.

In some ways, Mrs Clinton appears still to be fighting an election campaign, sending out several emails a day detailing her programme, thanking supporters and responding to McCain advertisements courting her supporters.

With the opinion polls showing Mr Obama tied with his Republican opponent John McCain, Democrats are nervous that disunity could signal defeat in November. A CNN poll found that some 30 per cent of Clinton supporters refuse to back Mr Obama.

Central to the tension between the two camps is the speech on Wednesday night by former President Bill Clinton. Mr Clinton has been asked to talk about national security but his aides protest that he should have been allowed to contrast the current economy with that during his administration in the 1990s.

Clinton supporters fear this means Mr Clinton might be blamed for sounding tepid about Mr Obama. "That puts him in a terrible bind, because you can't give a ringing endorsement when you're talking about foreign policy," a longtime Clinton adviser told Politico. "Obviously, the hard thing to talk about with Obama is commander in chief, of all his many talents."

Democratic operatives attempted to crush the developing narrative about a Obama-Clinton rift. "The fact is that our teams are working closely to ensure a successful convention, and will continue to do so," said David Axelrod, Mr Obama's chief strategist, and Maggie Williams, who was Mrs Clinton's campaign manager. "Anyone saying anything else doesn't know what they're talking about - period."

Anita Dunn, a senior Obama aide, said that Mrs Clinton and her campaign had been "wonderful partners in working on this convention with us".

Jamal Simmons, a Democratic strategist close to the Obama campaign, told "The Daily Telegraph": "This is a purely media-generated issue. By all signs from the Cs and current and former staff everybody is working together to get Barack Obama elected president.

"Rumours circles among Democrats all the time. We're professional hand-wringers. There always something people get worked up about. One of the things conventions are about is bringing people together. There was a long-fought primary and there were a lot of people who were very emotionally invested but the entire party is now together."

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Clinton supporters are an aggressive bunch, much more are the female voters because the possibilities of having a woman as president are less and less, and though this may not be the main reason.. it covers more ground than any other, because those who know less about Clinton are given more of an opportunity to throw their votes in behind that. Of course with this comes the necessity that their voices be heard, and it doesn't help that Clinton is such a sore loser judging from this report today:

"Behind the scenes tonight Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton are still seeking to hammer out a compromise plan over the former First Lady's demand to have an open roll-call vote on the convention floor, a move that would highlight the fact that she won nearly as many delegates in their primary battle.

Mr Obama wants the floor vote cut off after just a few states, followed by a unanimous consent vote in his favor." {http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4607991.ece}

Even though both Clinton and Obama may be trying to push for a more unified convention, that bitterness is still held by some of Clintons' delegates who are displaying their sore losing with Clinton for President banners, and if that isn't enough, they are also threatening to vote for McCain... and this is mostly because:

1. he didn't consider Clinton for vice president and
2. he didn't even CONSULT her on his choice.

Who's to blame for this? Clinton or her Delegates? I've heard from a very devoted Clinton fan some of the same rhetoric that was reported on here.

Is this really how it is or it it just imagined?

I'll tell you something you already know, Big media likes to take things like this and make them a bigger deal than what it already is, and sometimes they make this stuff up for other reasons either because of their responsibility to sling mud the other way or for their ratings.

But even if I were to go as far as to say that this Isn't true, I know FOR A FACT that one person feels like this and that requires a solution.

Help Obama loose so that McCain can get the vote.
Or just make Obama 'Go away' so that Hillary can get the nomination again... or, better yet, Get Obama AND McCain to go away THAN you can have it your way 100%!
Wouldn't that just make a whole bunch of you happy?

Get your head out of your ass and support the democrats!
Comments 
26th-Aug-2008 01:23 am (UTC)
In some ways, Mrs Clinton appears still to be fighting an election campaign, sending out several emails a day detailing her programme, thanking supporters and responding to McCain advertisements courting her supporters.

That's funny... I'm on her campaign mailing list, and the only mailings I've gotten in the last month were 2 about the HHS ruling trying to block birth control, and a mailing about Stephanie Tubbs Jones dying. I think this might be a good example of the media making crap up.

I know that she (Clinton) made a speech about McCain using her in an ad to target her supporters which she pithily ended with "I'm Hillary Clinton, and I do NOT support that message."

What's more, she unofficially released her delegates a couple of months ago. Wednesday she makes a speech where she not only officially releases her delegates to Obama, she declares herself voting for Obama (she's a superdelegate). The open roll call snafu mystifies me, honestly. It's totally ceremonial, and was floated by the Obama campaign as part of a package deal wherein Michigan and Florida get full seats at the convention. Her name being on the nomination open call is symbolic, just like the last couple of primaries were; no woman has ever competed in all primaries, win or lose. Now one has. Next time, maybe it won't be so hard.

As far as everyone who still feels butthurt about how the party has done certain things, they're within their rights to feel however they want, and use their vote accordingly, so quit being a big whiny baby because everyone doesn't agree with you. ;)
26th-Aug-2008 03:17 am (UTC) - Letting things Go!
It's so overwhelming to me, how people can't seem to let things go! When I hear things like "Should've" or "Could've" instantly, I think to myself.. how the hell are you gonna say something like that, when it does not matter anymore?! Just like when these people can't get over this? Than why not make a sound, solid, and final choice?

I guess when the mass-mentality stops believing in faeries and becomes more realistic/reasonable:



Than bright people can start acting more bright.
26th-Aug-2008 03:20 am (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
Who are you to tell them what is sane or sound? Seriously, your opinion is not right for everyone. Some people disagree with you. That doesn't mean they're wrong, it means they're different. Sheesh.
26th-Aug-2008 03:32 am (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
So dwelling on something that is too late to correct is sane? And true, my opinion is NOT right for everyone because that is exactly what it is... but if anyone is reasonable enough, than it is also enough that they see my point.

Besides, Isn't what this forum is all about? Or are we to debate that as well?
26th-Aug-2008 05:27 am (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
Yeah, it's like the weather. Inevitable, so we should all just like... lay back and enjoy it?

Seriously, people feel the way they feel, and believe in what they believe in. There's nothing wrong with it, and maybe if the party had tried to understand that, a bridge could have been built. But they didn't, and things are the way they are. And some people aren't going to just 'get over it.' *shrug*

I've always seen your point, I just don't always agree with it. *shrug*
26th-Aug-2008 11:41 pm (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
love you.
22nd-Oct-2008 06:14 pm (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
i understand completely with wat you r saying
26th-Mar-2009 12:22 pm (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
i think people are fighting over something thats all relitive really. God has become the word that budhism calls the spirit. for these people i want to ask them what they believe in...life after death? as richard says in this that he's only a 6 to a 7, so obviously there is something in there that he believes. I understand where these people are coming from...but this man uses humor to get people sucked in, not actual facts.
29th-Mar-2009 03:23 pm (UTC) - Re: Letting things Go!
Dawkins is da man !!!
28th-Aug-2008 12:26 am (UTC) - and it continues...
I always find myself shaking my head at people that take their time and energy to bash Hillary that one more time. She made an amazing speech, she worked hard to calm her supporters and handled the convention acclamation well in my opinion. To some people the woman cannot do anything right. By what I read you are one of them. How about promoting Obama's policies and why the Dems should win instead of bashing a woman that's made history?
28th-Aug-2008 07:39 am (UTC) - Re: and it continues...
Yes, the speech she made after this was posted. Thanks for doing your homework kiddo! You must really be reaching.
7th-Sep-2008 05:41 am (UTC)
I second the 'getting your head out of your ass' bit. Listen to the issues, don't vote based on the genitals of the candidates.
7th-Sep-2008 08:17 am (UTC) - ditto
And why not? The genitalia that salutes should get the first vote!
22nd-Oct-2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
ditto*2
10th-Oct-2008 08:19 pm (UTC)
i'll never pull my "head out of my ass" if it means agreeing with democrats. come on, your symbol is the donkey. obviously that means something. you dems have you "heads up your ass" :] thanks very much. i am happy Republican.
11th-Oct-2008 02:25 pm (UTC)
I'm gonna be nice to you cause.. well.. you're hot. I mean, if i were to meet the pres and veep candidate for the Reps, i would be all googly eyed with Palin and then slap the shit out of skeletor mccain.

Here are some of the qualities that have really turned me off about republicans:
1. they are bloodthirsty
2. they are oppressive
3. they've adjusted the laws to their liking for financial gain, sometimes even motivated by a 'voice in the sky'.

These are not qualities that I like in a human being, much less a large group of them who have access to changing and passing new laws.

The democrats are just the opposite. They respect our rights (more than the reps), and are more realistic when it comes to where we came from.

Also, I'm smart enough to do the research to know whats taken place in the white house during this administration.

How can you support a tyrannical party such as the republicans? You might as well put a bible in one hand, a gun in the other, and a badge then start blasting away at people in public.

Here's another fine quality the republicans 'border' on.. bigotry. Are you one of those too Morganne?

If that IS your real name!?


Edited at 2008-10-11 02:28 pm (UTC)
22nd-Oct-2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
what about the socilism in mccain's campaign????????????????????????????????
22nd-Oct-2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
i feel your agravation
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26th-Nov-2008 10:55 am (UTC) - Obama BC
So what's going on over there, re Obama birth certificate , are there any pending court cases ?
31st-Jan-2009 10:13 pm (UTC) - Democrats have something in store that you won't like.
Unless you are a minority on welfare, a member of ACORN, or some other special interest extremist, you will be sorely disappointed, if not completely devastated by this administrations shenanigans. This so-called stimulus package is pure pork for pet projects of democrats. Notice that no Republican idea or suggestion was allowed into this behemoth. You may try to suggest that the tax cuts were for Republicans but that is erroneous. The tax cuts in this porcine piece of garbage is mostly payoff to Obama supporters who don't pay taxes. Nothing in this malefic welfare fantasy will stimulate the economy but it will stimulate further dependence on government while the economy falls further into ruin. You may want to read the bill. If you have any inclination toward reality you will see that 95% of this bogus bill is not economically stimulating. Read it and weep.
1st-Feb-2009 01:21 am (UTC) - Obama: An American Savior
The next four years won’t be all sugarplums and lollipops for America (or the world, for that matter). A regime change alone – even one as stark as Obama’s – cannot redirect a nation. However, America has begun to weave a sustainable pattern in the fabric of real change. With the beloved Barack Obama coming in on the heels of a tarred-and-feathered administration, the communication, unity, and will of the people have aligned in a constellation of transformation that will usher in a new era of American Federal Government.
Obama’s presidency will be the dawn of a new relationship between the federal government and the American people. Americans can expect the President to come out from behind his desk in the Oval Office not just to address them, but invite them in, listen, and interact with them. Obama will use technology, including the Internet, cell phones, PDAs, and even MP3 players, to keep in touch with the American public. The Obama Administration will regularly meet with the press and keep the media abreast of governmental goings-on. The propaganda and rhetoric of late will be replaced with progressive conversation and bipartisan dialogue. Starting with his own administration, Obama will permeate transparency through Washington like bleach through dirty water.
Never before has America been so prepared for a decontamination of D.C., a Congressional cleansing, and a purification of power. If there’s one thing Americans can agree on, it’s that the federal government is so tainted with sullied politics that the trust of the people it represents is in real jeopardy, if not already lost. The unity and will of the American people are as commanding now as they have been in times of great historical change. In this politically heated climate, Americans can be sure that Obama will rise to the occasion and quench their thirst for change with the nectar of ethical and responsible ideology. Expect a purge of problematic party politics, patronage, and pandering to special interests and a reach for reasonable, responsive, and accountable representation in D.C.
With the capitol under an Obama-brand broom and mop, the President will work to accomplish all he has promised in preceding months. Within (his first) four years, Obama will address the most pressing issues facing America. This includes a resolution to the economic crisis, but many issues must be resolved in order to solve that dilemma. He will create an environment conducive to energy independence and the proliferation of renewable energy sources that will create new industries for employment and liberate the country from dependence on foreign oil. He will cultivate infrastructure and the American auto industry to bolster the job market and reduce unemployment. Scientific investigation, including promising stem cell research, will be increased to keep America up to speed with the international scientific community and expand job opportunities. He will also invest in America’s greatest asset – education – by increasing tax credits for higher education students, improving public education school systems, and either funding or eliminating the No Child Left Behind Act. He will increase the affordability of quality healthcare coverage by offering a federal plan option to all Americans and cracking down on excess pharmaceutical charges. He will create a more balanced tax system that will begin to restore the federal budget to fund essential federal programs. He will close Guantanamo Bay detention camp, repeal the Patriot Act, and turn over power to Iraqi security forces to begin the removal of U.S. troops. Obama will work to improve our international rapport and diplomatic relations, particularly in the Middle Eastern region, through open conversation with allies and enemies. Change is what America expects and change is what she will get.
This change will not come immediately (C’mon, its politics!), but it will come. Americans have spoken; we want change, we need change, and we’re ready for it. Now we look to President Obama to make it happen.

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22nd-Feb-2009 03:31 pm (UTC) - Vote Democrat
This is the policy around the world
16th-Apr-2009 08:36 am (UTC) - crazy demOcrats.
.hummmm.it so weird cause in ways cliton is still fighting,how funny it is to think that she cant accept her loss..as a politician of her self,she should know her limitations,and just step out.she should give america's future into obama's hands already.she should absorb her deafere.and just move on with her own work.
28th-May-2009 11:31 am (UTC) - Obama
It's not because John McCain doesn't care. It's because John McCain doesn't get it.
-Barack Obama
See All The Obama Quotes
7th-Jun-2009 07:59 pm (UTC) - THE 2-PARTY SYSTEM IS EMBARRASING
While I am more liberal in nature, I throw out the idea of tagging myself with "Democrat", as the nation should as a whole. There have been wonderful republican presidents (Lincoln, Reagan) and democrat ones (Roosevelt, Clinton) in US history. People these days tend to form hatred toward political figures based solely on their party alone.

But, let's face the facts here. Generally, the liberals love to spend LOTS of taxpayer money on social programs, reaching out a hand to everybody. On the other hand, the repubs position is that personal responsibility should be taken into consideration, but they DO throw out the opportunity theory. This basically says that not everybody growing up has the same resources and knowledge to succeed.

So what I'm getting at is that we need to eliminate 'Democrat', 'republican', 'libertarian' and everything else. Do your own research. Look closely at their voting records, and avoid propaganda as much as possible. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX are ALL biased to a certain degree, some more than others. Think for yourself, and don't take hearsay as truth.
30th-Jun-2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
I'm new here, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.
1st-Jul-2009 03:00 am (UTC)
Thank you so much!! :D
1st-Jul-2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that was definitely cool slogan. Now we can see all this in action. I mean Obama and Clinton
8th-Jul-2009 05:56 pm (UTC) - How to contact them
Is there a Contact center where we can pass on our concerns to the higher ups? I was just wondering since I have a lot of questions that I'd like to ask even though I'm fairly certain they'd all go unanswered. I just want to ask them to say that I tried.
21st-Jul-2009 03:35 am (UTC) - Simple comment
Let me introduce myself. I dont claim any party, not that i am indecisive but the fact neither as a whole is worth a darn. I can tell you as a vetern, I have met Clinton, and Al gore. Both treated the military with such disregard. The very people that protect them and this country. Seems to be the case with the democrats so i have lost alot of disrespect for that party. You will get you change you wanted but let me be the first to warn you it will not be what you want. I consistenly wonder why do people still think that the president even makes changes. He is a figure head. The president is not really a position of power but a position of stature. Sure he can veto a few things, talk alot of smack. But inevitably it is the house and senate that run this country. And what ever party rules majority thats the direction we take.
But one thing i gotta say is taxes will rise. Isn't that one of the very reasons we left england. Soon there will be no middle class, you will either be given what the democrats want you to have or you will be of elite stature where you can decide what the lower class can have. Welcome to socialist. Dont vote for a party because it is your party, vote for what is right. Be careful or you will lose that ability to do even that.
Take some time to read some inciatives that democrats are trying to pass. Like no term limit for presidents. Your right to bear arms will be taken away thru a backdoor, call an agreement with the UN. No party is gonna tell you what there real adgenda is, look at the bills that they are trying to pass.
Time for America to lose their ostrich habit and pop heads out of the sand. I would venture to say our forefather's would be terribly disappointed in us.

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